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		<title>By: Jedi Knight</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/11/14/monday-morning-update-111609/comment-page-1/#comment-6682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jedi Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing the comments of others, enough with the ATM metaphor.  It fails miserably until ATMs figure out a way to kill us through negligence. 

And to Epic, why wouldn&#039;t they (or any other vendor) worry first about connecting networks of their customers?  They control both ends of the interface, and can easily establish trust.  The NHIN project raises so many issues about privacy and control of personal information that its going to take years to sort out the legal issues and then deal with a major percentage of patients that opt out anyway.  All for the seldom seen use case of the interstate out-of-network accident.

I wish I could see my medical information and decide who to give it to.  I&#039;ll worry more about doctors when that is possible.  (and I mean all of it, not just the personal Microsoft filtered version)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing the comments of others, enough with the ATM metaphor.  It fails miserably until ATMs figure out a way to kill us through negligence. </p>
<p>And to Epic, why wouldn&#8217;t they (or any other vendor) worry first about connecting networks of their customers?  They control both ends of the interface, and can easily establish trust.  The NHIN project raises so many issues about privacy and control of personal information that its going to take years to sort out the legal issues and then deal with a major percentage of patients that opt out anyway.  All for the seldom seen use case of the interstate out-of-network accident.</p>
<p>I wish I could see my medical information and decide who to give it to.  I&#8217;ll worry more about doctors when that is possible.  (and I mean all of it, not just the personal Microsoft filtered version)</p>
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		<title>By: IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think comparing health information exchanges is much more akin to the credit reporting bureaus, not an ATM network.  And who doesn&#039;t love the credit reporting bureaus?!

When your unconscious patient has a heart attack in Florida, how, exactly, are we going to get positive, unique identification of this patient to pull his or her medical report down from these exchanges?  And when (not if) we have medical mistaken identity -- how, exactly, am I (as a patient) going to tell this health information exchange that this visit wasn&#039;t mine - it was for a different patient, not me. I&#039;m not on these meds. I don&#039;t have this condition. (etc etc).  

How long before Congress has to pass a law for &quot;myfreemedicalreport.com&quot; to give patients the right to even see their medical information in an exchange, and fight with the exchange to try &amp; get it corrected.

At least some enterprising company will be able to come up with some complicated formula to take our medical information and generate a score for medical insurance agencies to use to justify charging higher &amp; higher rates (or denying coverage altogether).

What could possibly go wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think comparing health information exchanges is much more akin to the credit reporting bureaus, not an ATM network.  And who doesn&#8217;t love the credit reporting bureaus?!</p>
<p>When your unconscious patient has a heart attack in Florida, how, exactly, are we going to get positive, unique identification of this patient to pull his or her medical report down from these exchanges?  And when (not if) we have medical mistaken identity &#8212; how, exactly, am I (as a patient) going to tell this health information exchange that this visit wasn&#8217;t mine &#8211; it was for a different patient, not me. I&#8217;m not on these meds. I don&#8217;t have this condition. (etc etc).  </p>
<p>How long before Congress has to pass a law for &#8220;myfreemedicalreport.com&#8221; to give patients the right to even see their medical information in an exchange, and fight with the exchange to try &amp; get it corrected.</p>
<p>At least some enterprising company will be able to come up with some complicated formula to take our medical information and generate a score for medical insurance agencies to use to justify charging higher &amp; higher rates (or denying coverage altogether).</p>
<p>What could possibly go wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Architect</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/11/14/monday-morning-update-111609/comment-page-1/#comment-6662</link>
		<dc:creator>Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: HIMSS
I served on my local HIMSS board for six+ years and have several observations.  One of National HIMSS goals has been to grow the local chapters and have them put on programs, etc.  They have been so successful at their goals, that I believe this may also be hurting the National conference.

For example the Midwest Fall Technology Conference in Grand Rapids, MI, put on by a handful of local chapters (IA, MN, WI, IL, IN, MI) drew around 400 recipients, and even had John Halamka video conferenced in as a keynote!  

These local chapters are soliciting sponsors, to the point where National had to force the local chapters to not use the same named spsonsor levels (platinum, gold, and silver) that they used to prevent confusion among the vendors.

So one has to wonder if a company has a choice to send people closer to home, with education sessions/conferences that  duplicate the topics at National, but have a more regional flavor, for a cheaper price tag, what choice they might make.  Or for those conference or HIMSS sponsorship dollars, where is the biggest ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: HIMSS<br />
I served on my local HIMSS board for six+ years and have several observations.  One of National HIMSS goals has been to grow the local chapters and have them put on programs, etc.  They have been so successful at their goals, that I believe this may also be hurting the National conference.</p>
<p>For example the Midwest Fall Technology Conference in Grand Rapids, MI, put on by a handful of local chapters (IA, MN, WI, IL, IN, MI) drew around 400 recipients, and even had John Halamka video conferenced in as a keynote!  </p>
<p>These local chapters are soliciting sponsors, to the point where National had to force the local chapters to not use the same named spsonsor levels (platinum, gold, and silver) that they used to prevent confusion among the vendors.</p>
<p>So one has to wonder if a company has a choice to send people closer to home, with education sessions/conferences that  duplicate the topics at National, but have a more regional flavor, for a cheaper price tag, what choice they might make.  Or for those conference or HIMSS sponsorship dollars, where is the biggest ROI.</p>
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		<title>By: EMR implementor with bruises to prove it</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMR implementor with bruises to prove it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: HIMSS condemnations.   I have to stick up for New England HIMSS, a fantastic group with tons of educational and networking opportunities for members.  This group is consistently vendor neutral and provides a great service to its constituents.  I know of no other professional society for Health Care IT that even comes close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: HIMSS condemnations.   I have to stick up for New England HIMSS, a fantastic group with tons of educational and networking opportunities for members.  This group is consistently vendor neutral and provides a great service to its constituents.  I know of no other professional society for Health Care IT that even comes close.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: first, comparing ATM networks to patient health information exchanges is like comparing &quot;apples to oranges&quot;.  The validity of the comparison/analogy ends at electronic connectivity.  The data exchanged is radically different, and the workflow supported by the exchanged data in these &quot;analogs&quot; is also radically different.  Both have their unique complexities; the argument that draws an analogy between helthcare exchanges and ATM networks simply has no merit.  Trying desperately to distill everything down to a single normalized form using overly simplified analogies is lazy thinking, in my opinion.  And, in response to this posting please don&#039;t reference our scientific community&#039;s attempt at determining a single, unified theory of the physics of the universe.  Their attempts at doing so are ripe with complexity and &quot;rubber meets the road&quot; experience and effort - not lazy analogies.

Second, patient exchanges have the opportunity to reduce costs, improve patient outcomes, and enhance patient - physician relationships.  Dan&#039;s example, above, of an unconscious patient unable to provide consent to share information is a question of the value of patient privacy vs. patient care.  It is absolutely not a question of the inherent value of being able to share patient health information such that care providers can make good choices.  Please pick the right argument.  In this case, the argument is privacy vs. patient care - not the value of exchanges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things: first, comparing ATM networks to patient health information exchanges is like comparing &#8220;apples to oranges&#8221;.  The validity of the comparison/analogy ends at electronic connectivity.  The data exchanged is radically different, and the workflow supported by the exchanged data in these &#8220;analogs&#8221; is also radically different.  Both have their unique complexities; the argument that draws an analogy between helthcare exchanges and ATM networks simply has no merit.  Trying desperately to distill everything down to a single normalized form using overly simplified analogies is lazy thinking, in my opinion.  And, in response to this posting please don&#8217;t reference our scientific community&#8217;s attempt at determining a single, unified theory of the physics of the universe.  Their attempts at doing so are ripe with complexity and &#8220;rubber meets the road&#8221; experience and effort &#8211; not lazy analogies.</p>
<p>Second, patient exchanges have the opportunity to reduce costs, improve patient outcomes, and enhance patient &#8211; physician relationships.  Dan&#8217;s example, above, of an unconscious patient unable to provide consent to share information is a question of the value of patient privacy vs. patient care.  It is absolutely not a question of the inherent value of being able to share patient health information such that care providers can make good choices.  Please pick the right argument.  In this case, the argument is privacy vs. patient care &#8211; not the value of exchanges.</p>
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