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		<title>By: BlueDogSpirit</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/06/23/news-62209/comment-page-1/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDogSpirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrM, I just read an excellent post by Scot Silverstein, M.D. dated June 23: &quot;Mark Leavitt, Head of CCHIT: Behind the Times and Uninformed on Health IT Realities?&quot;
http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/search?q=CCHIT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrM, I just read an excellent post by Scot Silverstein, M.D. dated June 23: &#8220;Mark Leavitt, Head of CCHIT: Behind the Times and Uninformed on Health IT Realities?&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/search?q=CCHIT" rel="nofollow">http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/search?q=CCHIT</a></p>
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		<title>By: Al Borges MD</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/06/23/news-62209/comment-page-1/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Borges MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d argue that it’s cheaper to go with something like a Sam’s Club eClinicalWorks solution for an EMR rather than developing your own.

A-Rod:

For most physicians, I agree that buying a ready-made EMR is the best way to go. I like to tinker, from the days going back to my teenage years when I took apart cars (engine and all) to current modern-day setup of my office where I set up my network, put together many of my computers, and put together my EMR... I enjoy it and would not have it any other way. If I found that full particupation with Medicare was necessary, and/or that the eRx was worth it and/or that the HITECH &quot;significant use&quot; provisions were necessary, I would indeed eventually buy a c-EHR. Of course, you&#039;d have to waterboard me and extract each and every one of my fingernails as well as kill my first born child to convince me to go with anything that HIMSS/CCHIT has tried to force onto the medical community, as I would find it tantamount to being manhandled by an illegal Mafia-like lobbying group.

If you actually do read my calculations in the link that I posted above, the $300000.00 5 year significant use figure was actually a low-ball amount for what &quot;significant use&quot; really implies (see the CMS website for a their evolving definition on this here- http://www.cms.hhs.gov/apps/media/press/factsheet.asp?Counter=3466&amp;intNumPerPage=10&amp;checkDate=&amp;checkKey=&amp;srchType=1&amp;numDays=3500&amp;srchOpt=0&amp;srchData=&amp;keywordType=All&amp;chkNewsType ). The eRx, the reporting, the teaching involved will significantly retard my ability to see a significant caseload that would allow me to make a decent living. On top of that, Medicare payments have declined to a level where even without HITECH, I was about to jump ship in the next few years... HITECH simply has sped up my disenrollment process. Many physicians share these sentiments and I wrote an article on this here- &quot;Congress Passed the Stimulus Bill; What Should You Do Now?&quot;, http://www.hcplive.com/mdnglive/articles/PC_passed_the_stimulus . If enough physicians jump ship, the HITECH Act will be known as the &quot;HITAIL OUT-OF-HERE&quot; Act and the elderly will eventually pressure Congress to get rid of this ill-conceived law that is rife with way too much vendor political influence and politician corruption.

&gt;&gt;&gt; $25,000 + minimum yearly maintenance would be much cheaper than your $175,000 expected costs. 

The $300000.00 is divided into 3 parts:

1) Purchase costs, using average cost of $30000 with an average monthly cost of $1500/mo for the typical c-EHR of $125000.
2) &quot;Significant Use&quot; costs of $125000 (see article for particulars)
3) The need to have a $10000/year part-timer just to handle the reporting and extra &quot;electronic paperwork&quot;-&gt; $50000/5 years.

Number 2 and 3 still apply to me if I were to go HITECH, thus the $175000. If I were to buy an eCW c-EHR, then I&#039;d have to add in number 1 for a total 5 year cost of $300000.00.

So in summary, I consider a c-EHR a ripoff and the HITECH &quot;significant use&quot; law an ill-advised poorly thought out law that will fail miserably.

Cheers,
Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I’d argue that it’s cheaper to go with something like a Sam’s Club eClinicalWorks solution for an EMR rather than developing your own.</p>
<p>A-Rod:</p>
<p>For most physicians, I agree that buying a ready-made EMR is the best way to go. I like to tinker, from the days going back to my teenage years when I took apart cars (engine and all) to current modern-day setup of my office where I set up my network, put together many of my computers, and put together my EMR&#8230; I enjoy it and would not have it any other way. If I found that full particupation with Medicare was necessary, and/or that the eRx was worth it and/or that the HITECH &#8220;significant use&#8221; provisions were necessary, I would indeed eventually buy a c-EHR. Of course, you&#8217;d have to waterboard me and extract each and every one of my fingernails as well as kill my first born child to convince me to go with anything that HIMSS/CCHIT has tried to force onto the medical community, as I would find it tantamount to being manhandled by an illegal Mafia-like lobbying group.</p>
<p>If you actually do read my calculations in the link that I posted above, the $300000.00 5 year significant use figure was actually a low-ball amount for what &#8220;significant use&#8221; really implies (see the CMS website for a their evolving definition on this here- <a href="http://www.cms.hhs.gov/apps/media/press/factsheet.asp?Counter=3466&amp;intNumPerPage=10&amp;checkDate=&amp;checkKey=&amp;srchType=1&amp;numDays=3500&amp;srchOpt=0&amp;srchData=&amp;keywordType=All&amp;chkNewsType" rel="nofollow">http://www.cms.hhs.gov/apps/media/press/factsheet.asp?Counter=3466&amp;intNumPerPage=10&amp;checkDate=&amp;checkKey=&amp;srchType=1&amp;numDays=3500&amp;srchOpt=0&amp;srchData=&amp;keywordType=All&amp;chkNewsType</a> ). The eRx, the reporting, the teaching involved will significantly retard my ability to see a significant caseload that would allow me to make a decent living. On top of that, Medicare payments have declined to a level where even without HITECH, I was about to jump ship in the next few years&#8230; HITECH simply has sped up my disenrollment process. Many physicians share these sentiments and I wrote an article on this here- &#8220;Congress Passed the Stimulus Bill; What Should You Do Now?&#8221;, <a href="http://www.hcplive.com/mdnglive/articles/PC_passed_the_stimulus" rel="nofollow">http://www.hcplive.com/mdnglive/articles/PC_passed_the_stimulus</a> . If enough physicians jump ship, the HITECH Act will be known as the &#8220;HITAIL OUT-OF-HERE&#8221; Act and the elderly will eventually pressure Congress to get rid of this ill-conceived law that is rife with way too much vendor political influence and politician corruption.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; $25,000 + minimum yearly maintenance would be much cheaper than your $175,000 expected costs. </p>
<p>The $300000.00 is divided into 3 parts:</p>
<p>1) Purchase costs, using average cost of $30000 with an average monthly cost of $1500/mo for the typical c-EHR of $125000.<br />
2) &#8220;Significant Use&#8221; costs of $125000 (see article for particulars)<br />
3) The need to have a $10000/year part-timer just to handle the reporting and extra &#8220;electronic paperwork&#8221;-&gt; $50000/5 years.</p>
<p>Number 2 and 3 still apply to me if I were to go HITECH, thus the $175000. If I were to buy an eCW c-EHR, then I&#8217;d have to add in number 1 for a total 5 year cost of $300000.00.</p>
<p>So in summary, I consider a c-EHR a ripoff and the HITECH &#8220;significant use&#8221; law an ill-advised poorly thought out law that will fail miserably.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Al</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDogSpirit</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/06/23/news-62209/comment-page-1/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDogSpirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrM, it is very disturbing regarding CCHIT. But what is more disturbing is that CCHIT has received bridge financing through HHS, despite complaints on file. I agree with Dr. Borges, CCHIT should be dissolved. At a minimum, Leavitt should resign for the &quot;involuntary dissolution&quot; that was reported on various blogs. CCHIT expects to be the sole certification body, when their own corporation status was &quot;involuntary dissolved&quot; for 10 months. The IRS has uncovered HIMSS paid Leavitt&#039;s salary through 2008. And who is the CCHIT Trustee Chair, who is also HIMSS&#039; CEO, who also authorized the payment of Leavitt&#039;s salary? H. Stephen Lieber. What other skeleton&#039;s remain in the closet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrM, it is very disturbing regarding CCHIT. But what is more disturbing is that CCHIT has received bridge financing through HHS, despite complaints on file. I agree with Dr. Borges, CCHIT should be dissolved. At a minimum, Leavitt should resign for the &#8220;involuntary dissolution&#8221; that was reported on various blogs. CCHIT expects to be the sole certification body, when their own corporation status was &#8220;involuntary dissolved&#8221; for 10 months. The IRS has uncovered HIMSS paid Leavitt&#8217;s salary through 2008. And who is the CCHIT Trustee Chair, who is also HIMSS&#8217; CEO, who also authorized the payment of Leavitt&#8217;s salary? H. Stephen Lieber. What other skeleton&#8217;s remain in the closet?</p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/06/23/news-62209/comment-page-1/#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody else find it disturbing that CCHIT seems to already be the certification body for the ARRA money, despite not actually being that?  If anybody from CCHIT is listening (and we know they&#039;re not because they continue to act in this manner) a little, even fake, contrition would go a long way to quieting those who don&#039;t like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody else find it disturbing that CCHIT seems to already be the certification body for the ARRA money, despite not actually being that?  If anybody from CCHIT is listening (and we know they&#8217;re not because they continue to act in this manner) a little, even fake, contrition would go a long way to quieting those who don&#8217;t like you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Alchemist</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/06/23/news-62209/comment-page-1/#comment-4603</link>
		<dc:creator>The Alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: “lite” corporate IT using free Web-based tools.  I’m cheap!  How cheap are you?  Well, I’m so cheap that I purchased a dedicated netbook off ubid.com for $150 and converted the MS 98 OS to that “jaunty jackelope” Ubuntu 9.04 for free and plugged in my MagicJack (no relation to Meditech Magic) device for $19.95 for one year unlimited Internet phone service.

To add insult to injury, if I purchase the five year service bundle of MagicJack, I’ll only pay $59.95. And I thought my Vonage Residential Premium Unlimited Plan at $24.99 per month was a good deal.  Vonage actually cost $31.78 with all those nebulous Regulatory Recovery Surcharges, Emergency 911 Fees, and other hidden taxes. 
 
Point to be made here, corporate HIT guys can learn much from the methods of us residential IT guys trying to keep down our cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: “lite” corporate IT using free Web-based tools.  I’m cheap!  How cheap are you?  Well, I’m so cheap that I purchased a dedicated netbook off ubid.com for $150 and converted the MS 98 OS to that “jaunty jackelope” Ubuntu 9.04 for free and plugged in my MagicJack (no relation to Meditech Magic) device for $19.95 for one year unlimited Internet phone service.</p>
<p>To add insult to injury, if I purchase the five year service bundle of MagicJack, I’ll only pay $59.95. And I thought my Vonage Residential Premium Unlimited Plan at $24.99 per month was a good deal.  Vonage actually cost $31.78 with all those nebulous Regulatory Recovery Surcharges, Emergency 911 Fees, and other hidden taxes. </p>
<p>Point to be made here, corporate HIT guys can learn much from the methods of us residential IT guys trying to keep down our cost.</p>
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