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		<title>By: Dan Field</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/02/04/readers-write-2509/comment-page-1/#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>considered starting a VIP practice before it had a name but was chicken to strike out on my own. Let me say that if I had, it would be because I would make more money while seeing less patients. As a biproduct…no, as a marketing concept, I thought my training as an ED doc would lend itself to this value added service for those who could afford it. I can see the point about this practice aggravating the macro trend but as an individual making a living in a free market (to some degree) economy, that’s not my problem. Society doesn’t want to reimburse FP’s and internist for their cognitive skills relative to the specialist so that’s why you have panels of 2500 in the first place. I want to sell my skills and my ability to relate to my patients at a price I am satisfied with regardless of what critics will say. BTW, I wouldn’t have double dipped, the point of this model for me is to totally circumvent 3rd party payment and yes, the patients would still need insurance (which is why I consider it value added) for catastrophic events. I am there to make the day to day stuff go more efficiently for those clients for whom time is money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>considered starting a VIP practice before it had a name but was chicken to strike out on my own. Let me say that if I had, it would be because I would make more money while seeing less patients. As a biproduct…no, as a marketing concept, I thought my training as an ED doc would lend itself to this value added service for those who could afford it. I can see the point about this practice aggravating the macro trend but as an individual making a living in a free market (to some degree) economy, that’s not my problem. Society doesn’t want to reimburse FP’s and internist for their cognitive skills relative to the specialist so that’s why you have panels of 2500 in the first place. I want to sell my skills and my ability to relate to my patients at a price I am satisfied with regardless of what critics will say. BTW, I wouldn’t have double dipped, the point of this model for me is to totally circumvent 3rd party payment and yes, the patients would still need insurance (which is why I consider it value added) for catastrophic events. I am there to make the day to day stuff go more efficiently for those clients for whom time is money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Field</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/02/04/readers-write-2509/comment-page-1/#comment-3343</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I considered starting a VIP practice before it had a name but was chicken to strike out on my own. Let me say that if I had, it would be because I would make more money while seeing less patients. As a biproduct...no, as a marketing concept, I thought my training as an ED doc would lend itself to this value added service for those who could afford it. I can see the point about this practice aggravating the macro trend but as an individual making a living in a free market (to some degree) economy, that&#039;s not my problem. Society doesn&#039;t want to reimburse FP&#039;s and internist for their cognitive skills relative to the specialist so that&#039;s why you have panels of 2500 in the first place. I want to sell my skills and my ability to relate to my patients at a price I am satisfied with regardless of what critics will say. BTW, I wouldn&#039;t have double dipped, the point of this model for me is to totally circumvent 3rd party payment and yes, the patients would still need insurance (which is why I consider it value added) for catastrophic events. I am there to make the day to day stuff go more efficiently for those clients for whom time is money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I considered starting a VIP practice before it had a name but was chicken to strike out on my own. Let me say that if I had, it would be because I would make more money while seeing less patients. As a biproduct&#8230;no, as a marketing concept, I thought my training as an ED doc would lend itself to this value added service for those who could afford it. I can see the point about this practice aggravating the macro trend but as an individual making a living in a free market (to some degree) economy, that&#8217;s not my problem. Society doesn&#8217;t want to reimburse FP&#8217;s and internist for their cognitive skills relative to the specialist so that&#8217;s why you have panels of 2500 in the first place. I want to sell my skills and my ability to relate to my patients at a price I am satisfied with regardless of what critics will say. BTW, I wouldn&#8217;t have double dipped, the point of this model for me is to totally circumvent 3rd party payment and yes, the patients would still need insurance (which is why I consider it value added) for catastrophic events. I am there to make the day to day stuff go more efficiently for those clients for whom time is money.</p>
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		<title>By: No Corner on Greed</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/02/04/readers-write-2509/comment-page-1/#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator>No Corner on Greed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised by GBT&#039;s postings...you make a very broad generalization stating a physician bases his practice model on the &quot;first priority&quot; of financial.  Very judgmental in making the leaps to assumptions you state...greed, sleaze, conscious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by GBT&#8217;s postings&#8230;you make a very broad generalization stating a physician bases his practice model on the &#8220;first priority&#8221; of financial.  Very judgmental in making the leaps to assumptions you state&#8230;greed, sleaze, conscious.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazlo Hollyfeld</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2009/02/04/readers-write-2509/comment-page-1/#comment-3316</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazlo Hollyfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concierge primary care practices is one of the few topics that really angers me.  Almost every time I have seen it presented, the concept is largely presents an altruistic message of &quot;spending more time with the patient&quot; that &quot;results in a better outcome.&quot;    

This may be true but the reality is $ and time are the primary motivators.  Primary care docs just want to potentially double their income to match most specialists while usually having to work much less hours on a more favorable schedule.  Can&#039;t blame primary care physicians for wanting to do this but it certainly doesn&#039;t do anything on the macroeconomic level to health address issues with access to primary care physicians.   

As for a physician who says they largely don&#039;t respond to financial incentives, I say BS.  Physicians who work on a piecemeal rate are much more productive than their brethren on salary.  There are a ton of other areas too where a majority of physicians respond to economic incentives.  Doesn&#039;t make them any different from most people but idolized physicians who have a higher value ethos than $  largely don&#039;t exist either.     

Patients may be able to spend more time with their physicians but I am highly suspect that this results in better outcomes or reduced costs (especially if you properly adjust the outcomes/cost measures for a concierge patient mix who are much more likely to be better educated and wealthier than a typical primary care practice&#039;s patient mix).  

I know for a fact that some researchers have tried to look into this exact question and have been met with some fierce resistance.  If this model is so superior, then why the reluctance/hesitation to see if the marketing message holds any water in regards to outcomes or costs?  

My bet is that the research would show exactly what is coming out about physician-owned hospitals - that they provide neither cheaper care or better outcomes contrary to both claims.  If anything, there is a clear fiduciary conflict of interest that is not being justified in terms of better quality or costs.    

One of the things I was most disappointed to see recently was that Stark backed off his restrictions on physician-owned hospitals in the recent SCHIP that was passed.  Almost completely went unnoticed since everyone was yelling and screaming about insuring illegal aliens.  Big dollars for certain surgeons and other select physicians with largely no benefits largely for the rest of society.

This may be true but the reality is $ and time.  Primary care docs just want to potentially double their income to match most specialists while usually having to work much less hours on a schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concierge primary care practices is one of the few topics that really angers me.  Almost every time I have seen it presented, the concept is largely presents an altruistic message of &#8220;spending more time with the patient&#8221; that &#8220;results in a better outcome.&#8221;    </p>
<p>This may be true but the reality is $ and time are the primary motivators.  Primary care docs just want to potentially double their income to match most specialists while usually having to work much less hours on a more favorable schedule.  Can&#8217;t blame primary care physicians for wanting to do this but it certainly doesn&#8217;t do anything on the macroeconomic level to health address issues with access to primary care physicians.   </p>
<p>As for a physician who says they largely don&#8217;t respond to financial incentives, I say BS.  Physicians who work on a piecemeal rate are much more productive than their brethren on salary.  There are a ton of other areas too where a majority of physicians respond to economic incentives.  Doesn&#8217;t make them any different from most people but idolized physicians who have a higher value ethos than $  largely don&#8217;t exist either.     </p>
<p>Patients may be able to spend more time with their physicians but I am highly suspect that this results in better outcomes or reduced costs (especially if you properly adjust the outcomes/cost measures for a concierge patient mix who are much more likely to be better educated and wealthier than a typical primary care practice&#8217;s patient mix).  </p>
<p>I know for a fact that some researchers have tried to look into this exact question and have been met with some fierce resistance.  If this model is so superior, then why the reluctance/hesitation to see if the marketing message holds any water in regards to outcomes or costs?  </p>
<p>My bet is that the research would show exactly what is coming out about physician-owned hospitals &#8211; that they provide neither cheaper care or better outcomes contrary to both claims.  If anything, there is a clear fiduciary conflict of interest that is not being justified in terms of better quality or costs.    </p>
<p>One of the things I was most disappointed to see recently was that Stark backed off his restrictions on physician-owned hospitals in the recent SCHIP that was passed.  Almost completely went unnoticed since everyone was yelling and screaming about insuring illegal aliens.  Big dollars for certain surgeons and other select physicians with largely no benefits largely for the rest of society.</p>
<p>This may be true but the reality is $ and time.  Primary care docs just want to potentially double their income to match most specialists while usually having to work much less hours on a schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: gbt</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to thank everyone for their input.  I did not mean to open a can of worms, which I obviously did.  However, there ARE some physicians that DO bill insurance while operating under the Concierge model.  I think we all know that this is not right and this is &quot;double dipping&quot; and is probably illegal as well, and I say probably, as I have seen no laws pertaining to that.  I am sure there are many physicians that do not bill insurance while operating their practices in this manner.

Yes, we do need many more PCPs, but until our system can determine a fair way to compensate them, I am not sure that we will see a large growth of that physician population in the very near future.  

And RegularDoc, your idea of charging a $50 fee (call it an administration fee) is great to help support the cost of the EMR..  

GREAT interchange from all of you..   Thanks for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to thank everyone for their input.  I did not mean to open a can of worms, which I obviously did.  However, there ARE some physicians that DO bill insurance while operating under the Concierge model.  I think we all know that this is not right and this is &#8220;double dipping&#8221; and is probably illegal as well, and I say probably, as I have seen no laws pertaining to that.  I am sure there are many physicians that do not bill insurance while operating their practices in this manner.</p>
<p>Yes, we do need many more PCPs, but until our system can determine a fair way to compensate them, I am not sure that we will see a large growth of that physician population in the very near future.  </p>
<p>And RegularDoc, your idea of charging a $50 fee (call it an administration fee) is great to help support the cost of the EMR..  </p>
<p>GREAT interchange from all of you..   Thanks for your input.</p>
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