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	<title>Comments on: Monday Morning Update 10/27/08</title>
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		<title>By: PMD</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/10/25/monday-morning-update-102708/comment-page-1/#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>PMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is PopTech! different from TED?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is PopTech! different from TED?</p>
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		<title>By: Spero Melior</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/10/25/monday-morning-update-102708/comment-page-1/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>Spero Melior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using it for what purposes and what are the demonstrative benefits over ICD-9?  

Most of Europe and others using ICD-10 don&#039;t play silly reimbursement games with ICD-10 (nor did they with ICD-9).  So one mess will be the shakeout of how ICD-10 (on which DRGs, APCs, etc, etc are based) affects reimbursement and the hoops providers have to jump through to get the &quot;right billing code.&quot;

That said, ICD-10 as it comes from the World Health Organization is about 12K codes.  The UK uses this version.

The Australian modification of ICD-10 (ICD-10-CM) has approx. 16K codes.

The Canadian modification of ICD-10 (ICD-10-CA) has approx. 30K codes.

The United States&#039; clinical modification, in its 2007 draft form, has 68K codes, or more than twice as many codes as the next biggest modification.

So, another answer is that other countries haven&#039;t made nearly as big a mess out of ICD-10 as we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using it for what purposes and what are the demonstrative benefits over ICD-9?  </p>
<p>Most of Europe and others using ICD-10 don&#8217;t play silly reimbursement games with ICD-10 (nor did they with ICD-9).  So one mess will be the shakeout of how ICD-10 (on which DRGs, APCs, etc, etc are based) affects reimbursement and the hoops providers have to jump through to get the &#8220;right billing code.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, ICD-10 as it comes from the World Health Organization is about 12K codes.  The UK uses this version.</p>
<p>The Australian modification of ICD-10 (ICD-10-CM) has approx. 16K codes.</p>
<p>The Canadian modification of ICD-10 (ICD-10-CA) has approx. 30K codes.</p>
<p>The United States&#8217; clinical modification, in its 2007 draft form, has 68K codes, or more than twice as many codes as the next biggest modification.</p>
<p>So, another answer is that other countries haven&#8217;t made nearly as big a mess out of ICD-10 as we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK, ICD-10 has been the norm in Europe (and other places?) for years. How do they manage it, and why are they using it, if it is such a mess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK, ICD-10 has been the norm in Europe (and other places?) for years. How do they manage it, and why are they using it, if it is such a mess?</p>
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		<title>By: Art_Vandelay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art_Vandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spero - you&#039;re missing the point. They are distributing it in a text file to: 

1. Reduce the most &quot;arduous&quot; task - writing an upload and deduplication routine 
2. Keep a non-Government entity (3M?) on the payroll to &quot;manage&quot; the process for them

Afterall, they have no experience with this sort of thing. They&#039;ve only provided oversight to the UMLS for the past 10+ years. Oh yeah, most of the expertise through non-Government entities. Oops - a minor lack of foresight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spero &#8211; you&#8217;re missing the point. They are distributing it in a text file to: </p>
<p>1. Reduce the most &#8220;arduous&#8221; task &#8211; writing an upload and deduplication routine<br />
2. Keep a non-Government entity (3M?) on the payroll to &#8220;manage&#8221; the process for them</p>
<p>Afterall, they have no experience with this sort of thing. They&#8217;ve only provided oversight to the UMLS for the past 10+ years. Oh yeah, most of the expertise through non-Government entities. Oops &#8211; a minor lack of foresight.</p>
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		<title>By: Spero Melior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spero Melior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect my previous attempt at a response failed because I included a link (sorry, I&#039;m new at this stuff).

Dr. Wes is right on the money.  ICD-10-CM is a boondoggle.  Its official release format from the NCHS is a 2,392 page, 23MB PDF.  Codes, delivered as free text!  How can a coding system maintained by a word processor support a revolution in our health information infrastructure?  Furthermore, shoving modern knowledge of disease into a 1970s classification scheme does not a large improvement make.

I have cataloged the problems with ICD-10-CM at my bog, the Better Diagnosis Coding blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect my previous attempt at a response failed because I included a link (sorry, I&#8217;m new at this stuff).</p>
<p>Dr. Wes is right on the money.  ICD-10-CM is a boondoggle.  Its official release format from the NCHS is a 2,392 page, 23MB PDF.  Codes, delivered as free text!  How can a coding system maintained by a word processor support a revolution in our health information infrastructure?  Furthermore, shoving modern knowledge of disease into a 1970s classification scheme does not a large improvement make.</p>
<p>I have cataloged the problems with ICD-10-CM at my bog, the Better Diagnosis Coding blog.</p>
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