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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our facility was to go live on Picis ORManager next week.  We have had a ton of issues...the most disturbing is that the Picis PM just didn&#039;t show up one day...no longer employed...Then, the replacement, didn&#039;t make the next conference call.

What in the world is going on there.  We are pulling the plug on Picis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our facility was to go live on Picis ORManager next week.  We have had a ton of issues&#8230;the most disturbing is that the Picis PM just didn&#8217;t show up one day&#8230;no longer employed&#8230;Then, the replacement, didn&#8217;t make the next conference call.</p>
<p>What in the world is going on there.  We are pulling the plug on Picis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wompa!  I think we understand where we&#039;re each coming from. 

However, reducto ad absurdum, if only one person bothered to vote, would it be OK for them to impose their will on everyone else. (I think there&#039;s a new movie out about that.)

Is it  &quot;not bothering to vote&quot; if you fail a &quot;literacy test&quot; as was employed in the South in living memory? What about if you&#039;re a &quot;felon&quot; as defined (wrongly) by the State of Florida and are denied the right to vote? 

So somewhere in here there&#039;s a slippery slope. 

Of course, if I&#039;m the only one voting, then this is all OK by me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wompa!  I think we understand where we&#8217;re each coming from. </p>
<p>However, reducto ad absurdum, if only one person bothered to vote, would it be OK for them to impose their will on everyone else. (I think there&#8217;s a new movie out about that.)</p>
<p>Is it  &#8220;not bothering to vote&#8221; if you fail a &#8220;literacy test&#8221; as was employed in the South in living memory? What about if you&#8217;re a &#8220;felon&#8221; as defined (wrongly) by the State of Florida and are denied the right to vote? </p>
<p>So somewhere in here there&#8217;s a slippery slope. </p>
<p>Of course, if I&#8217;m the only one voting, then this is all OK by me <img src='http://histalk2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/08/07/news-8808/comment-page-1/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prairiesky: I just got done leading a major system implementation that was happening at the same time as a hospital move at an AMC.  It was so &quot;fun&quot; that I updated my &quot;list of things you must never ever do, even if it means leaving the job&quot; to include &quot;doing a major system implementation at the same time as another major project that involves the same user groups&quot;.  Hospital moves involve everybody, and are highly disruptive, so they&#039;re about the worst one to go alongside.

As far as funding, I&#039;m not even sure how a publicly-funded AMC could do a mainstream vendor EMR implementation at the same time, none of them have that amount of money!  I didn&#039;t have that issue, and I can&#039;t imagine how much more difficult that additional challenge would have made it.  Since the cost for training comes at the end, I don&#039;t think you want to see that part get cut, or your system will fail.  I recommend to delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prairiesky: I just got done leading a major system implementation that was happening at the same time as a hospital move at an AMC.  It was so &#8220;fun&#8221; that I updated my &#8220;list of things you must never ever do, even if it means leaving the job&#8221; to include &#8220;doing a major system implementation at the same time as another major project that involves the same user groups&#8221;.  Hospital moves involve everybody, and are highly disruptive, so they&#8217;re about the worst one to go alongside.</p>
<p>As far as funding, I&#8217;m not even sure how a publicly-funded AMC could do a mainstream vendor EMR implementation at the same time, none of them have that amount of money!  I didn&#8217;t have that issue, and I can&#8217;t imagine how much more difficult that additional challenge would have made it.  Since the cost for training comes at the end, I don&#8217;t think you want to see that part get cut, or your system will fail.  I recommend to delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Wompa1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wompa1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Holt,

Thanks for your comments. I am aware of the direction in which you lean politically, and I am not attacking you. I am always interested in civil discourse. We have had growing government regulation in the healthcare market for decades, and yet we are ever more unsatisfied with it! If something does not work, why try so hard to reform it? Why not tear it down?

I must disagree with your analysis of the American political spectrum. Conservative and right-wing are not interchangeable terms, though they are often presented that way. Conservative and Republican are also not interchangeable. While some conservatives may be Republicans, the majority of Republicans do not qualify as conservatives, McCain included. Truly, it is our terminology that is at fault here. There are Taft Republicans, Goldwater Conservatives, Neoconservatives, Paleoconservatives. 

After reading more abut the AAPS, I might have to donate to them. I like their style.

To your comments on the voting population of the U.S.: well, we really only worry about those who trouble themselves to vote, don’t we? Many of the European states, have a national holiday for election day. What an excuse for a day off. Motivated citizens will vote despite the obstacles. As for Australia: I did not realize they were so totalitarian. Compulsory voting? I can’t imagine such a thing in an ostensibly free country. Voting is no mark of freedom, many tyrants are elected by democratic means (Hitler, Hussein, Bush, etc.). Coerced voters will never think of anything other than themselves. No wonder Australia gave up its guns.</description>
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<p>Thanks for your comments. I am aware of the direction in which you lean politically, and I am not attacking you. I am always interested in civil discourse. We have had growing government regulation in the healthcare market for decades, and yet we are ever more unsatisfied with it! If something does not work, why try so hard to reform it? Why not tear it down?</p>
<p>I must disagree with your analysis of the American political spectrum. Conservative and right-wing are not interchangeable terms, though they are often presented that way. Conservative and Republican are also not interchangeable. While some conservatives may be Republicans, the majority of Republicans do not qualify as conservatives, McCain included. Truly, it is our terminology that is at fault here. There are Taft Republicans, Goldwater Conservatives, Neoconservatives, Paleoconservatives. </p>
<p>After reading more abut the AAPS, I might have to donate to them. I like their style.</p>
<p>To your comments on the voting population of the U.S.: well, we really only worry about those who trouble themselves to vote, don’t we? Many of the European states, have a national holiday for election day. What an excuse for a day off. Motivated citizens will vote despite the obstacles. As for Australia: I did not realize they were so totalitarian. Compulsory voting? I can’t imagine such a thing in an ostensibly free country. Voting is no mark of freedom, many tyrants are elected by democratic means (Hitler, Hussein, Bush, etc.). Coerced voters will never think of anything other than themselves. No wonder Australia gave up its guns.</p>
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		<title>By: prairiesky</title>
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		<dc:creator>prairiesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT question: say you are a large publicly funded academic health center that is caught in the middle of an embarrassing funding crisis. You are also getting ready to open a major new building as part of your overall clinical campus to replace older facilities (inpatient mainly).  Inside the crisis is a large project to implement an EMR from one of the mainstream vendors. Funding levels for the project are questionable as it is unknown how the opening of the new facility will impact the project. 

Your funding crisis is caused by weak internal controls over budget and expenses. No theft just poor management. To fix the problem, you need to focus on re-gaining control over this core management function.  I know that the  notion of EMR ROI has been beaten to death but is it logical to continue with this expensive project or would it be more prudent to simply put this project on hold for a year until finances stabilize and the institution can focus on adoption?

Real situation, looking for the group&#039;s thoughts. No sense in beating on the organization for the problem, as Gregg Allman sang they are well aware of them. 

Best,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT question: say you are a large publicly funded academic health center that is caught in the middle of an embarrassing funding crisis. You are also getting ready to open a major new building as part of your overall clinical campus to replace older facilities (inpatient mainly).  Inside the crisis is a large project to implement an EMR from one of the mainstream vendors. Funding levels for the project are questionable as it is unknown how the opening of the new facility will impact the project. </p>
<p>Your funding crisis is caused by weak internal controls over budget and expenses. No theft just poor management. To fix the problem, you need to focus on re-gaining control over this core management function.  I know that the  notion of EMR ROI has been beaten to death but is it logical to continue with this expensive project or would it be more prudent to simply put this project on hold for a year until finances stabilize and the institution can focus on adoption?</p>
<p>Real situation, looking for the group&#8217;s thoughts. No sense in beating on the organization for the problem, as Gregg Allman sang they are well aware of them. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
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