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	<title>Comments on: News 3/5/08</title>
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		<title>By: Leland Cardinal</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/03/04/news-3508/comment-page-1/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland Cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve also heard the Stanford rumors from someone very high on the Stanford Hospital org chart.  Perot is on the way out and Accenture will likely be leading the Epic install.  Does Accenture have enough Epic certified resources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also heard the Stanford rumors from someone very high on the Stanford Hospital org chart.  Perot is on the way out and Accenture will likely be leading the Epic install.  Does Accenture have enough Epic certified resources?</p>
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		<title>By: MumpsMan</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/03/04/news-3508/comment-page-1/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>MumpsMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Perot out of Stanford rumor, I&#039;ve heard it too.  Please consider it still unverified because I heard it from a headhunter trying to dissuade me from taking a job with Perot (so I could go to work for him...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Perot out of Stanford rumor, I&#8217;ve heard it too.  Please consider it still unverified because I heard it from a headhunter trying to dissuade me from taking a job with Perot (so I could go to work for him&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: dogofwar</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/03/04/news-3508/comment-page-1/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>dogofwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Inga,

I think you were missing my sarcasm (hard to portray in type ;).

Of course many factors contribute to a healthcare organization&#039;s decision to choose one vendor or another.

I&#039;m simply suggesting that vendor salesmanship should play a much smaller role than whether the product actually does what it&#039;s supposed to do, how easy (and costly) it will be to implement (custom interfaces, order sets), etc.  Company stability should definitely play a role in purchasing decisions, but so should how a company chooses to invest its resources.  

Good evaluation teams are able to separate vendor puffery from evaluating to what extent a system meets their requirements.  Good evaluation teams define &quot;good&quot; salespeople as those that are able to provide them with timely, accurate, and honest information .  Evaluation teams that allow slick salesmanship and influence peddling to cloud their evaluation of the facts are doing their organizations a disservice.

Salepeople tasked to sell poorly-interfaced crap don&#039;t want the evaluation to focus on the product itself.  Salesman who work for well-financed companies that sell poorly-interfaced crap have more tools and resources at their disposal to shift the focus.   

That said, problems with implementing EMRs are too often blamed on one vendor or another (see today&#039;s story about throwing out Cerner and replacing it with EPIC).  As if EPIC is that much cheaper or easier to implement than Cerner.  ANY EMR implementation is going to have many of the same challenges...

I also agree that differentiating &quot;the best&quot; among the leading vendor products is quite difficult - they all have some strengths and they all suck in many ways.  There is no &quot;killer app&quot;.  But as long as those who purchase systems (and their executives and boards) allow themselves to be sold with the kind of sizzle that only the largest vendors can afford, we&#039;ll be stuck in the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Inga,</p>
<p>I think you were missing my sarcasm (hard to portray in type <img src='http://histalk2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Of course many factors contribute to a healthcare organization&#8217;s decision to choose one vendor or another.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simply suggesting that vendor salesmanship should play a much smaller role than whether the product actually does what it&#8217;s supposed to do, how easy (and costly) it will be to implement (custom interfaces, order sets), etc.  Company stability should definitely play a role in purchasing decisions, but so should how a company chooses to invest its resources.  </p>
<p>Good evaluation teams are able to separate vendor puffery from evaluating to what extent a system meets their requirements.  Good evaluation teams define &#8220;good&#8221; salespeople as those that are able to provide them with timely, accurate, and honest information .  Evaluation teams that allow slick salesmanship and influence peddling to cloud their evaluation of the facts are doing their organizations a disservice.</p>
<p>Salepeople tasked to sell poorly-interfaced crap don&#8217;t want the evaluation to focus on the product itself.  Salesman who work for well-financed companies that sell poorly-interfaced crap have more tools and resources at their disposal to shift the focus.   </p>
<p>That said, problems with implementing EMRs are too often blamed on one vendor or another (see today&#8217;s story about throwing out Cerner and replacing it with EPIC).  As if EPIC is that much cheaper or easier to implement than Cerner.  ANY EMR implementation is going to have many of the same challenges&#8230;</p>
<p>I also agree that differentiating &#8220;the best&#8221; among the leading vendor products is quite difficult &#8211; they all have some strengths and they all suck in many ways.  There is no &#8220;killer app&#8221;.  But as long as those who purchase systems (and their executives and boards) allow themselves to be sold with the kind of sizzle that only the largest vendors can afford, we&#8217;ll be stuck in the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://histalk2.com/2008/03/04/news-3508/comment-page-1/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry Rivers, go and  ck the govt. grp, AHRQ (Agency for Healthcare Research and Qualtiy) as they&#039;ll probably have some reports.  They also held a conference last Sept which had a session addressing this topic.  You might find copies of the presentations over on the AHRQ site.  Went to that session, key takeaway: Common metrics used to measure to measure IT ROI in other industries are ill-suited to healthcare.

And Inga, you are correct, much more goes into the sale of a product than just technology.  I can think of  others off the top of my head that  have used in advising clients:  Channel to market, Service, Pricing and Viability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Rivers, go and  ck the govt. grp, AHRQ (Agency for Healthcare Research and Qualtiy) as they&#8217;ll probably have some reports.  They also held a conference last Sept which had a session addressing this topic.  You might find copies of the presentations over on the AHRQ site.  Went to that session, key takeaway: Common metrics used to measure to measure IT ROI in other industries are ill-suited to healthcare.</p>
<p>And Inga, you are correct, much more goes into the sale of a product than just technology.  I can think of  others off the top of my head that  have used in advising clients:  Channel to market, Service, Pricing and Viability.</p>
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		<title>By: watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fake Inga photos were a clever idea, but I was frankly shocked that a vendor of McKesson&#039;s stature (and woman-run as well) would have a model flaunting as a booth draw. Did Pam even know what Relay was doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fake Inga photos were a clever idea, but I was frankly shocked that a vendor of McKesson&#8217;s stature (and woman-run as well) would have a model flaunting as a booth draw. Did Pam even know what Relay was doing?</p>
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